Comments on: Opinions and a-holes, a cautionary tale http://www.alborrelli.com/opinions-and-a-holes-a-cautionary-tale The Hague Portrait, Family, Wedding, Fashion, and Lifestlye photographer Al Borrelli Tue, 06 Dec 2011 22:39:21 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Pamelala http://www.alborrelli.com/opinions-and-a-holes-a-cautionary-tale#comment-844 Pamelala Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:36:24 +0000 http://www.alborrelli.com/?p=3#comment-844 ha ha, I like your perspective, great reading! LOL ha ha, I like your perspective, great reading! LOL

]]> By: Susan http://www.alborrelli.com/opinions-and-a-holes-a-cautionary-tale#comment-766 Susan Thu, 28 Oct 2010 17:42:16 +0000 http://www.alborrelli.com/?p=3#comment-766 Nice post, Al. Couldn't agree more! And the obnoxiousness (is that a word? lol) is usually just to self-inflate their egos and their posts generally don't offer any actual help to the original poster on the forum. I think these old-schoolers are feeling threatened by contemporary artists who rely on emotion, imagination, and creativity as well as excellent technical skills. They may have years of experience, but have not grown and changed with the times. They're losing business to the contemporary photographers and are now panicking, and therefore lashing out at newbies saying it's their way or the highway. Nice post, Al. Couldn’t agree more! And the obnoxiousness (is that a word? lol) is usually just to self-inflate their egos and their posts generally don’t offer any actual help to the original poster on the forum. I think these old-schoolers are feeling threatened by contemporary artists who rely on emotion, imagination, and creativity as well as excellent technical skills. They may have years of experience, but have not grown and changed with the times. They’re losing business to the contemporary photographers and are now panicking, and therefore lashing out at newbies saying it’s their way or the highway.

]]> By: Al http://www.alborrelli.com/opinions-and-a-holes-a-cautionary-tale#comment-261 Al Mon, 09 Aug 2010 19:31:40 +0000 http://www.alborrelli.com/?p=3#comment-261 Heya Suzanne, Yeah, it's the snark, backed up by the LOFT (see above comment) that gets me. I, too, can handle any negative commentary, even from people with LOFT, but it's the delivery and intent that counts to me. I always try to take the negative commentary as if receiving feedback from a client (who is typically someone with LOFT), but it's always seen as a learning experience to see where someone with a different perspective is coming from. But if a client were to simply say "you suck, do better" with no attempt thought or only intending to inflate their own egos (as some of these guys do).. well, my response might be in kind (depending of course on how much money they're throwing at me! ;) ) Heya Suzanne,
Yeah, it’s the snark, backed up by the LOFT (see above comment) that gets me. I, too, can handle any negative commentary, even from people with LOFT, but it’s the delivery and intent that counts to me.
I always try to take the negative commentary as if receiving feedback from a client (who is typically someone with LOFT), but it’s always seen as a learning experience to see where someone with a different perspective is coming from. But if a client were to simply say “you suck, do better” with no attempt thought or only intending to inflate their own egos (as some of these guys do).. well, my response might be in kind (depending of course on how much money they’re throwing at me! ;) )

]]> By: Suzanne http://www.alborrelli.com/opinions-and-a-holes-a-cautionary-tale#comment-260 Suzanne Mon, 09 Aug 2010 17:56:26 +0000 http://www.alborrelli.com/?p=3#comment-260 Reading this made me so happy to see that I'm not the only person who feels this way. I had gotten a lukewarm reception and a somewhat snarky comment about an image that I really liked from one of the posters you mentioned. I don't expect everyone to like everything that I do so I was fine with the lukewarm reception but the snark was unnecessary. Then when I posted a re-edit of it I got no response. That to me feels like a hit and run. I agree that it's good to take a look at the source when getting the kinds of remarks you mentioned above. Reading this made me so happy to see that I’m not the only person who feels this way. I had gotten a lukewarm reception and a somewhat snarky comment about an image that I really liked from one of the posters you mentioned. I don’t expect everyone to like everything that I do so I was fine with the lukewarm reception but the snark was unnecessary. Then when I posted a re-edit of it I got no response. That to me feels like a hit and run. I agree that it’s good to take a look at the source when getting the kinds of remarks you mentioned above.

]]> By: GT http://www.alborrelli.com/opinions-and-a-holes-a-cautionary-tale#comment-253 GT Fri, 06 Aug 2010 11:55:32 +0000 http://www.alborrelli.com/?p=3#comment-253 No, it is not a generation gap, the images are crap and would have been crap 40 years ago. I would not say it on DPS because of the nature of the forum, but by crikey, I wonder if the guy ever compares his images to others? The lighting and PP work are dreadful. No, it is not a generation gap, the images are crap and would have been crap 40 years ago.
I would not say it on DPS because of the nature of the forum, but by crikey, I wonder if the guy ever compares his images to others? The lighting and PP work are dreadful.

]]> By: Al http://www.alborrelli.com/opinions-and-a-holes-a-cautionary-tale#comment-252 Al Fri, 06 Aug 2010 11:20:47 +0000 http://www.alborrelli.com/?p=3#comment-252 Heya GT, Agreed..fully, on both counts. I think much of the issue is the generation gap. Before digital, there were few doing it, and even fewer doing it well. I have not doubt the person(s) in question are decent, but back then they were far above anyone else. They got praised for it. Many sat on their laurels because of such praise and now that the paradigm is shifting, they're having a hard time keeping up. Digital makes it easy to practice and get better and experiment. Those that rest on the praise of 40 years ago will get left behind.. and they just can't cope. However, it's also something I personally fear as I sometimes I see photographs and feel deep inside that I'll just never 'see' things in that way and no matter what knowledge I gain, I'll just never get there. Hopefully, I'm just limited in THAT specific path, and not in general! We'll see. :) Heya GT,
Agreed..fully, on both counts.
I think much of the issue is the generation gap. Before digital, there were few doing it, and even fewer doing it well. I have not doubt the person(s) in question are decent, but back then they were far above anyone else. They got praised for it. Many sat on their laurels because of such praise and now that the paradigm is shifting, they’re having a hard time keeping up.
Digital makes it easy to practice and get better and experiment. Those that rest on the praise of 40 years ago will get left behind.. and they just can’t cope.

However, it’s also something I personally fear as I sometimes I see photographs and feel deep inside that I’ll just never ‘see’ things in that way and no matter what knowledge I gain, I’ll just never get there. Hopefully, I’m just limited in THAT specific path, and not in general!

We’ll see. :)

]]> By: GT http://www.alborrelli.com/opinions-and-a-holes-a-cautionary-tale#comment-251 GT Fri, 06 Aug 2010 11:12:38 +0000 http://www.alborrelli.com/?p=3#comment-251 Al, Thinking about it - unlike sport, photography is one of those few places where you can apply your knowledge and improve your own game. I suspect our friend suffers from a LOFT problem - Lack Of Fucking Talent. All the theory in the world cannot help you if your eye just cannot see it. Al,
Thinking about it – unlike sport, photography is one of those few places where you can apply your knowledge and improve your own game.

I suspect our friend suffers from a LOFT problem – Lack Of Fucking Talent.
All the theory in the world cannot help you if your eye just cannot see it.

]]> By: Luke http://www.alborrelli.com/opinions-and-a-holes-a-cautionary-tale#comment-224 Luke Sat, 24 Jul 2010 12:51:12 +0000 http://www.alborrelli.com/?p=3#comment-224 ...and those said words were not even in context of what the OP was asking, but that is another story for another blog. :) …and those said words were not even in context of what the OP was asking, but that is another story for another blog. :)

]]> By: Al http://www.alborrelli.com/opinions-and-a-holes-a-cautionary-tale#comment-221 Al Fri, 23 Jul 2010 21:06:32 +0000 http://www.alborrelli.com/?p=3#comment-221 To be honest, I have no clue. Last time I did macro it was with a 50mm lens with an extension tube. I'd check <a href="http://dpreview.com/" rel="nofollow">dpreview </a>and perhaps go to <a href="http://digital-photography-school.com/forum/" rel="nofollow">DPS </a>and post in on their boards. Good luck! To be honest, I have no clue. Last time I did macro it was with a 50mm lens with an extension tube. I’d check dpreview and perhaps go to DPS and post in on their boards.
Good luck!

]]> By: Hampshire wedding photographer http://www.alborrelli.com/opinions-and-a-holes-a-cautionary-tale#comment-220 Hampshire wedding photographer Fri, 23 Jul 2010 16:27:28 +0000 http://www.alborrelli.com/?p=3#comment-220 Hello good blog post, i know that this may be a little bit off article nevertheless is the Sigma 180mm f/3.5 EX DG APO HSM Macro Lens any good? i've found a few review articles but i wouldn't like to throw away $500 on it. also are there any high-quality boards which i could participate in photography thanks Chelsea from the the united kingdom...english is not my first language Hello good blog post, i know that this may be a little bit off article nevertheless is the Sigma 180mm f/3.5 EX DG APO HSM Macro Lens any good? i’ve found a few review articles but i wouldn’t like to throw away $500 on it. also are there any high-quality boards which i could participate in photography thanks Chelsea from the the united kingdom…english is not my first language

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